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Yeah sometimes. Mostly because I’m kinda bad at visualization

11:20 PM

I don’t think it’s a bad thing

Ahh okay

11:22 PM

Cool aha

You’re good!

nx 🌩

I'm feel like this happens to me when just sitting with my Tupla, suddenly I'll see myself sitting their too like I'm watching a tv screen

Dont give that too much importance.

1st or 3rd person pov, it doesn't really matter

Alright

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

In my experience, people experiencing this just have a belief problem. If your tulpa is giving short answers getting long and meaningful ones is often a matter of letting them talk.

No they're genuinely short responses. I give them time to think and they say nothing because I am no longer directing anything toward them.

Thats the wrong mindset.

The other mindset would deny reality. They really have not much to say.

_Dan

The other mindset would deny reality. They really have not much to say.

Reality is not a thing here.

12:34 AM

You do whatever you want in your head.

Reality is flexible when it comes to imagination.

They've attempted longer sentences since my typing that but nothing really long.

Ask them follow up questions, get them to elaborate

I have difficulty thinking of questions aside from how was your day.

12:36 AM

I'm really bad at questions and I think that's stifling progress.

I can send you a list of prompts if you want

Yuka

I can send you a list of prompts if you want

Send them, they need to be prompted.

Do they have a name? a form?

12:37 AM

ask them what they want.

You can think about tulpas like you think about characters. You can help them develop by asking questions and expecting responses... But you can also actively fantasize about what they are doing and saying and define them that way.

They have no name or form yet.

_Dan

They have no name or form yet.

Thats a good place to start asking then

They're calling themselves April which was a name I pitched a while back.

I sent it

Can I also have the prompt list of questions, please?

Yup, sent

12:44 AM

There's also this worksheet https://community.tulpa.info/topic/14746-tulpa-vocalization-practice/

Tulpa Vocalization Practice

This is a digital worksheet that I made with the intent of helping tulpas learn how to speak through practice. Feel free to use whichever parts of the worksheet will be useful to you, and share the results if you like. You can either make a copy of the document to record your tulpa's responses th...

Thank you!

Tried the warm up, I had to stare at each one for 5 seconds but I got responses out of most of them.

1

Had luck with #2 but at #3 they stopped responding

I wonder how I could tell the difference between my mind coming up with answers and my tulpa doing so, without asking because I'd hardly get anything. (edited)

You and your tulpa have the same mind. Classifying those automatic responses as belonging to your tulpa is your choice.

1:08 AM

Some people just fantasize about a character and choose consciously made up actions of the character as belonging to their tulpa too.

Well they admit that they did respond to them.

You don’t tell the difference, you decide that difference

That feels like I'm assigning a guess.

Yes

1:10 AM

You are the tulpamancer, power is in your hands

1:12 AM

Consider that how it works is that you are working on a skill. If you spend time thinking if something was you or something was tulpa, you won’t be better in recognising it, but you will just get better in ruminating and potentially in doubt

_Dan

I wonder how I could tell the difference between my mind coming up with answers and my tulpa doing so, without asking because I'd hardly get anything. (edited)

Just assume is your tulpa.

If you spend time just deciding what is you and what is your tulpa, you will get better in that

It will get automatic.

If you let them talk on discord and have their own experiences, it will be easier

1:15 AM

You can get them a tupperbot with an avatar

So a decision on my end about the source as opposed to being unsure about where in the brain it fired originally actually determines the source over time?

Thats a good way to put it.

Doing it in round-about way that is supposed to give tulpa freedom of choice in everything looks cute and cool at first sight... But in the end it's just your unconscious mind making a choice instead of your conscious mind making a choice. Feel free to make choices in creation of your tulpa and defining them.

Yeah, it will become habitual

How do I do that again? I created one in the summer but completely forgot about forcing until just now.

At some point it feels like the motivations to do what they do are not your tipical ones and it will get really easy to know who it was.

1:17 AM

That is feeded by them evolving their personality which is separated from yours by your guesses of who is who.

I usually recommend just letting your tulpa speak on discord early for rapid development

They say speaking on here "would be cool" and that they would like to.

Exciting!

1:18 AM

Can’t wait to meet them (edited)

But don't be surprised if things are short.

_Dan

So a decision on my end about the source as opposed to being unsure about where in the brain it fired originally actually determines the source over time?

Luminesce: Holding the belief and intent for there to be a separate person thoughts can come from is what starts to shape that experience. So from an objective view, someone who associated some random thoughts that "seemed like maybe it could be their tulpa" (that were just random thoughts at the time) could lead to positive tulpa development, yes. You do shape what you do and don't consider your tulpa, so this doesn't mean you have to accept every random thought as any more than a random thought. But rejecting them all does tend to stifle the initial tulpamancy process for a lot of people. (edited)

_Dan

But don't be surprised if things are short.

Its okey.

You can always help them a little, you know?

_Dan

But don't be surprised if things are short.

That’s fine

How do I use the bot thing for them to speak? I created one in the summer but stopped forcing.

type tul!list

_Dan

How do I use the bot thing for them to speak? I created one in the summer but stopped forcing.

go to #tupperbox-pluralkit (edited)

Hello I'm here. How are you? This is fun.

Hello April, nice to meet you. I'm fine.

You can get only start bracket if you like that more. I do.

I'll like to speak.

1:24 AM

Hello April, nice to meet you. I'm fine.

@Alexia (@Alejandro) - jump I'm fine too.

Let’s move to general-chat

I have a question it may be stupid so sorry if it is When you guys switch with your tulpa do you dissociate or is it only sometimes or something else?

Dissociate how?

2:33 AM

I want to clarify because I don't think switching for tulpamancers typically if ever qualifies as medical dissociation, but I do think it can sometimes be on par with the dissociation you experience during meditation or daydreaming

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I have a question it may be stupid so sorry if it is When you guys switch with your tulpa do you dissociate or is it only sometimes or something else?

Luminesce: Dissociation may be part of the switching process, but afterwards consciousness is exactly as it was in your brain before - only now your tulpa is the one plugged into it and all the senses and all, and you are just a tulpa to them. (edited)

2:40 AM

-- I think I'm really going to start pushing my description of the experience of switching, namely in that the host does not own the brain's consciousness and does not bring it with them to the wonderland, because after the years of adding "But that's just how it works for us, some people believe otherwise", all the results I'm seeing from that are people who ended up hugely disappointed that the more fantastical claims about switching (like "the host living in the wonderland while the tulpa carries on with the body's life") never happened for them. (edited)

2:46 AM

-- Switching is most basically defined as: The host becomes equivalent to a tulpa, except that they're the body/brain's "default" and so more easily associate with the switched-in position, until the system becomes very experienced with switching. The tulpa becomes equivalent to a host, except that they're not the body/brain's "default" and are likely to fall out of the switching position more easily (ie especially after sleeping), until the system becomes very experienced with switching. (edited)

2:47 AM

For us, learning switching on our own was as easy as being told this, and figuring the rest out for ourselves (pretty quickly at that, though we were already a 4+ year old system by then) (edited)

2:49 AM

Switching is something that might be more easily achieved with less specific instruction, as you eventually need to create the experience for yourself. Leaving a little wiggle room for the process with only the solid goal in mind has the best results, as far as teaching goes.

if I worry about Kira not being her old self could I fix it by pretending she is how she used to be until it happens

Luminesce: Probably? (edited)

3:02 AM

Especially if you're talking about a young tulpa who's still more or less developing

around a year old now

Hmm, it's by all means still possible, but the more cemented your tulpa is in your brain the less they will change going forward. Outside of growing with you as a person, anyway

she still hasn’t really been the same since she went dormant…

3:04 AM

so the longer I wait since then, the harder this would be to fix?

If it bothers you, then you can go back to personality forcing with intent and all, but depending on how well developed and independent/vocal she is you may want to discuss it to get permission first

Skyler 🐉

so the longer I wait since then, the harder this would be to fix?

In the same way that if you were called a name for a year, but then wanted to get used to being called a different name, would be harder the longer it's been (edited)

3:05 AM

It never becomes impossible, it's just about how used-to something your brain is.

3:07 AM

Going by a new username online after using one for only a year is significantly easier than getting used to being called a new name instead of your actual real-life name you've had for (your-age-here), you know?

I think she came back approximately 3 months ago

Luminesce: But it'd be even easier if it had only been a few months, and such. (edited)

3:08 AM

Well, regardless, it's not impossible to personality force a tulpa at almost any stage. But if they're well-developed and clearly vocal, then you should discuss it with them and get their permission to do so, preferably.

personality forcing wasn’t really something I have ever done. Do you have any guide recommendations?

Ehh, I'm not one for guides

Well, regardless, it's not impossible to personality force a tulpa at almost any stage. But if they're well-developed and clearly vocal, then you should discuss it with them and get their permission to do so, preferably.

@Reisen - jump honestly I guess I don’t really know if she is anymore…

Luminesce: Most forcing, personality or not, is just thinking about your tulpa while holding intent for them to be a certain way. In the base tulpa creation process, that "way" is "being independent from you" lol, but you can do the same with personality or whatever else. (edited)

3:10 AM

You yourself had the idea that you could think about her differently to maybe change her, which tends to mean it would probably work for you.

3:11 AM

Ideas you come up with yourself in mental practices like tulpamancy tend to work the best - it's just good to get community advice on whether they're good ideas to pursue at all